This is the edited transcript of a public interview that took place between Dr. Hasan Bakhshi, Executive Director, Creative Economy and Data Analytics at Nesta, and Terry Flew, with questions from Greg Hearn, Cori Stewart and other participants. The interview took place at the Creative Industries Precinct, Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane, Australia, on 13 September 2017. The interview covers the history of Nesta, its role in shaping UK creative industries policies, and lessons for other countries around arts funding, education and skills, and the relationship to research policy