We show that for a σ-ideal \ci with a Borel base of subsets of an
uncountable Polish space, if \ca is (in several senses) a "regular" family of
subsets from \ci then there is a subfamily of \ca whose union is
completely nonmeasurable i.e. its intersection with every Borel set not in \ci
does not belong to the smallest σ-algebra containing all Borel sets
and \ci. Our results generalize results from \cite{fourpoles} and
\cite{fivepoles}.Comment: 7 page