A comparison is made between the interaction of electron bunches and intense laser pulses with plasma. The laser pulse is modelled with photon kinetic theory, i.e. a representation of the electromagnetic field in terms of classical quasi-particles with space and wave number coordinates, which enables a direct comparison with the phase space evolution of the electron bunch. Analytical results are presented of the plasma waves excited by a propagating electron bunch or laser pulse, the motion of electrons or photons in these plasma waves and collective effects, which result from the self-consistent coupling of the particle and plasma wave dynamics