Here comes Jansen, who has the courage to say that there is overwhelming evidence that mind results from neuronal activity; but it is frustrating to realize that most of the references he cites are suspect. This then is the challenge for near-death research. We must start to generate data worthy of the questions we are attempting to answer. Theorists like Jansen need clinical researchers like Raymond Moody and Kenneth Ring; this is the beginning of a dialogue that will blossom into something truly valuable