Non-definability of languages by generalized first-order formulas over (N,+)

We consider first-order logic with monoidal quantifiers over words. We show that all languages with a neutral letter, definable using the addition numerical predicate are also definable with the order predicate as the only numerical predicate. Let S be a subset of monoids. Let LS be the logic closed under quantification over the monoids in S and N be the class of neutral letter languages. Then we show that: LS[<,+] cap N = LS[<] Our result can be interpreted as the Crane Beach conjecture to hold for the logic LS[<,+]. As a corollary of our result we get the result of Roy and Straubing that FO+MOD[<,+] collapses to FO+MOD[<]. For cyclic groups, we answer an open question of Roy and Straubing, proving that MOD[<,+] collapses to MOD[<]. Our result also shows that multiplication is necessary for Barrington's theorem to hold. All these results can be viewed as separation results for very uniform circuit classes. For example we separate FO[<,+]-uniform CC0 from FO[<,+]-uniform ACC0

"Most of" leads to undecidability: Failure of adding frequencies to LTL

Linear Temporal Logic (LTL) interpreted on finite traces is a robust specification framework popular in formal verification. However, despite the high interest in the logic in recent years, the topic of their quantitative extensions is not yet fully explored. The main goal of this work is to study the effect of adding weak forms of percentage constraints (e.g. that most of the positions in the past satisfy a given condition, or that sigma is the most-frequent letter occurring in the past) to fragments of LTL. Such extensions could potentially be used for the verification of influence networks or statistical reasoning. Unfortunately, as we prove in the paper, it turns out that percentage extensions of even tiny fragments of LTL have undecidable satisfiability and model-checking problems. Our undecidability proofs not only sharpen most of the undecidability results on logics with arithmetics interpreted on words known from the literature, but also are fairly simple. We also show that the undecidability can be avoided by restricting the allowed usage of the negation, and briefly discuss how the undecidability results transfer to first-order logic on words.Comment: Full version of FOSSACS 2021 pape